Actually the christian New Testament doesn't even use the word apostate. I'm sure many ex-JWs use it because it is an official JW offense, that many have been charged with in a judicial committee. Some just re-appropriate it (tongue in cheek) and some use it in quotation marks, but we all understand what it means and doesn't mean.
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Why do you call yourselves "apostates?"
by Marbles inwell let me clarify the question.
i know you call yourselves apostates because the bible defines people who leave their previously held beliefs as apostates.
my question means, if the bible is not true (and i don't think it is) then there is no such thing as an apostate.i have never been a jw, only a bible student with them.
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The Truth That Gives You Eternal Life (The Bethelite Revolt)
by Vanderhoven7 inthe truth that gives you eternal life - "bethel edition".
this is an amazing book (vanderhoven).
news.
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neat blue dog
Wow this is fantastic. They were getting persecuted like Christians in the dark ages under the Catholic Church.
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Fearmongering news on JW.ORG : Russia Invades Ukraine
by RULES & REGULATIONS inrussia invades ukraine.
in the early morning hours of february 24, 2022, russia began a military invasion of ukraine, despite the efforts of world leaders to avoid war.
how might this military conflict affect the world?
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neat blue dog
an amped-up wishing for the End by JWs who didn’t prepare or save for retirement ...and don’t want to deal with the consequences!
BINGO
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So, which end times prophecy is it?!
by nowwhat? inwhen all is quiet on the world scene, the jdubs say see!
they are about to to declare peace and security!
when tensions are high the jdubs point to the pushing of the kon and the kos and say see bible prophecy is being fulfilled!.
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A few years ago we passed a minor accident, (a car that hit a phone pole with minimal damage) and one of the JWs in my car says 'We're in the last days, you're gonna be seeing more accidents like that'. So it doesn't take much, literally anything will do. -
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After leaving the JWs
by punkofnice inhow do i view the world after leaving the jws?.
1. most politicians are disgusting filth.
political parties are disgusting filth.
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neat blue dog
I agree with you punkofnice except for the part about God. I think it comes natural to humans to worship, and politicians and government can easily fill that void. It's no coincidence that some of the deadliest communist and socialist regimes were and are atheist, and that the general decline of religion in the US is accompanied by an increase in government dependency and being suckered into various social justice schemes that take on religious fervor but really serve insidious purposes. That's what made America great, the outright acknowledgement that rights were god-given and therefore inalienable, meaning the government didn't give them and therefore couldn't take them.
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Michael Jackson's mom on his disassociation
by neat blue dog infrom an interview with ebony magazine:.
in 1987, he left the jehovah's witnesses.
there was strong opposition to his "thriller" video on the part of some witnesses.
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neat blue dog
By 1987, the current standard of disassociation equaling disfellowshipping had already been in place for years, starting with Raymond Franz. She also continued association with him up until his death in 2009. News outlets also reported that there was a private JW ceremony for family apart from the public funeral. However it should be noted that the org says a JW funeral can only be conducted for an ex-JW if they were showing signs of returning, and then only of the conscience of the JW conducting it allowed, so obviously any such JW ceremony would be our of bounds organizationally, and refused if it were anyone else.
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Michael Jackson's mom on his disassociation
by neat blue dog infrom an interview with ebony magazine:.
in 1987, he left the jehovah's witnesses.
there was strong opposition to his "thriller" video on the part of some witnesses.
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neat blue dog
From an interview with Ebony magazine:
In 1987, he left the Jehovah's Witnesses. There was strong opposition to his "Thriller" video on the part of some Witnesses. Perhaps the controversy figured into his decision to leave. But I don't know that for a fact because I didn't talk to him about what he'd done. I couldn't. Witnesses do not discuss spiritual matters with a person who has disassociated himself from the Witnesses, including family members. But I want to stress that, contrary to published reports, I was not required to "shun" my son. Our relationship is as loving today as it was when he was a Witness. I just can't ask him, "Why, Michael?"
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The Left and Present Truth
by neat blue dog inadd yet another jw similarity to the list:.
they say now the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is a matter of weeks.
things like the effectiveness of masks and the vaccine, the origin of covid-19 in a lab, clinton spying on trump, the existence of a pedophile ring for the elites and more, things branded as conspiracy theories have been proven true.
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Disillusioned JW:
I am a far left person who does not say (nor define) that "the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is a matter of weeks". Where do you get the idea that all (or even most) people of the left say such or have such a definition?
No, of course the left would never admit to this. Like I said sometimes they pretend when a change happens it's always been that way. This line about weeks is something multiple conservatives have noted.
you non-left people seem to be exclusively using the word "elites" the way the former President Trump did in his televised statements at rallies. Did you folks obtain that specialized unflattering usage of the word "elite" from him?
No actually, president Eisenhower warned against this concentration of power decades ago, especially on the the military, scientific and technological front. Notice this speech, especially the second half where he mentions this "elite".
In many of the ideas you non-left wingers write about in your posts on this site it like you are living in a different world (an alternate reality Earth in a universe parallel to mine) than my world (my Earth).
Are you sure about that? I see and endless string of failed climate prophecies with obviously underhanded financial motives, and yet I'm told to believe that this time the world ending in 20 years will be true.
I'm told that we're in the middle of the deadliest virus in history and we must lock up, stunt the growth of an entire generation of children, and hand the government's of the world unprecedented emergency powers, and yet I see the death rates and true causes of death are no way near what's being implied.
I see multiple true stories like Covid being developed in a lab and a pedophile ring for elites including Clinton eventually come out as true but quietly swept under the rug by mainstream media.
I see reports that unarmed black people are being mowed down by racist cops, but then I see the details of most each and every case and see that they were fighting back, in the middle of crimes and in the case of George Floyd even ingested deadly levels of drugs.
I see BLM protests based on those lies making one of the most destructive summers with billions in damages and many deaths, yet I'm told it's a mostly peaceful protest.
Then I see single protest, not nationwide, where the protestors kill absolutely no one (although one of them was killed ironically) in an effort to get the government to investigate voter irregularities, and I'm told it was an insurrection and a deadly one at that (of course they conveniently don't say who died).
I could go on and on and on.
Maybe you're living in the alternate universe?
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The Left and Present Truth
by neat blue dog inadd yet another jw similarity to the list:.
they say now the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is a matter of weeks.
things like the effectiveness of masks and the vaccine, the origin of covid-19 in a lab, clinton spying on trump, the existence of a pedophile ring for the elites and more, things branded as conspiracy theories have been proven true.
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neat blue dog
Add yet another JW similarity to the list:
They say now the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is a matter of weeks. Things like the effectiveness of masks and the vaccine, the origin of COVID-19 in a lab, Clinton spying on Trump, the existence of a pedophile ring for the elites and more, things branded as conspiracy theories have been proven true.
Just like JWs who have set up an authoritarian central authority and outlaw anyone from "running ahead of the chariot", the ruling class backed by the left has decided that their present truth cannot be contradicted even for the sake of discussion and even if it comes out as true later. Multiple YouTube and Facebook users have spoken about their experiences being restricted for posting now verified facts about COVID, the Rittenhouse trial etc. - But those companies refused to reverse the restrictions after new facts came to light because it went against accepted truth at the time of posting.
And yet so many people are content to just be drip-fed and not have to think about it. Ask yourself: What crazy theory will quietly be acknowledged as true next, and just like the JWs, pretend it's been that way all along?
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Governing Body busy with building projects...looking beyond the ''last days''
by RULES & REGULATIONS inin addition to studio space, the planned ramapo-tuxedo complex would total 1.5 million square feet.
the complex would include offices, 600 housing units in multiple-family buildings, underground parking, a fitness area, and a visitor center for the public.. .
here is anthony morris in a jw broadcasting february 2022, reading a (fake) letter from a ''concerned brother.
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neat blue dog
They've literally been using that "we'll use this building in the new system" line for decades.